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Post by FoxExecutive on Dec 20, 2004 19:27:13 GMT -5
Um, that's great about console sales. But what about games sold. Didn't Halo 2 and its limited edition outsale the PS2's GTA: San Andreas? Plus I hate to say but you are wrong about Sony and Nintendo allowing MS to gain so much. The reason being, that MS produces quality games just as any other of the systems do. You can't dismiss Halo as just Sony and Nintendo allowing MS to produce it. Plus, why in the world would you need a PS for GTA when the XBox has it only better? And the biggest of all is that MS has made great business decisions such as XBox Live and staying out of a handheld feud. Sony may be number one in sales, but in game quality they are third. Maybe that doesn't make a difference but to me it does. I just hope others can also see that. As for the PS3, maybe so. If Sony can convince the consumer that they are a better system why buy an XBox 2? Then it will be the scenario we see now of why buy a PS2? We will have to wait and see what comes into perspective of the next generation's systems.
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Post by HLOCKE on Dec 20, 2004 21:53:17 GMT -5
Um, that's great about console sales. But what about games sold. Didn't Halo 2 and its limited edition outsale the PS2's GTA: San Andreas? Plus I hate to say but you are wrong about Sony and Nintendo allowing MS to gain so much. The reason being, that MS produces quality games just as any other of the systems do. You can't dismiss Halo as just Sony and Nintendo allowing MS to produce it. Plus, why in the world would you need a PS for GTA when the XBox has it only better? And the biggest of all is that MS has made great business decisions such as XBox Live and staying out of a handheld feud. Sony may be number one in sales, but in game quality they are third. Maybe that doesn't make a difference but to me it does. I just hope others can also see that. As for the PS3, maybe so. If Sony can convince the consumer that they are a better system why buy an XBox 2? Then it will be the scenario we see now of why buy a PS2? We will have to wait and see what comes into perspective of the next generation's systems. You know what...I just made a really good reponse to your question and for some reason it wasn't posted So let me summarize what it said: - No, I'm not wrong about what I said about Nintendo and Sony letting Microsoft get the upper hand, why I am I so confident on that? Because I ripped that directly from Peter Moore whom was head of Xbox development before leaving Microsoft this year. According to him Nintendo could have easily trounced Halo( despite how good the title actually is) by releasing a monstrous game such as a new Mario or Zelda (more along the lines of the recently announced realistic Zelda). However, they underestimated Xbox and bottom line: they lost. -Halo, same as above. Halo never would have prospered if a New Zelda came in and walked all over it, it would have stolen all of Halo's hype the same way that Halo 2 did every game that came out this season. -Why by PS for GTA when it's better on the Xbox? I don't know, but that didn't stop over 650,000 people in the U.S. alone to go buy PS2's for the new GTA. Could it be that people can't wait that long for an Xbox version, or maybe the PS2 really does have quality titles other than GTA's on it that can attract people. -Microsoft wishes they could enter the handheld industry, unfortunately they've lost billions on the Xbox and another piece of hardware would be suicide. -Sony won't have to convince the consumer that the PS3 is better than the Xbox 2, it's Microsoft who'll have to convince the consumer that the Xbox 2 is better than the PS3.
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Post by shadow on Dec 21, 2004 4:59:33 GMT -5
You know what...I just made a really good reponse to your question and for some reason it wasn't posted So let me summarize what it said: - No, I'm not wrong about what I said about Nintendo and Sony letting Microsoft get the upper hand, why I am I so confident on that? Because I ripped that directly from Peter Moore whom was head of Xbox development before leaving Microsoft this year. According to him Nintendo could have easily trounced Halo( despite how good the title actually is) by releasing a monstrous game such as a new Mario or Zelda (more along the lines of the recently announced realistic Zelda). However, they underestimated Xbox and bottom line: they lost. -Halo, same as above. Halo never would have prospered if a New Zelda came in and walked all over it, it would have stolen all of Halo's hype the same way that Halo 2 did every game that came out this season. -Why by PS for GTA when it's better on the Xbox? I don't know, but that didn't stop over 650,000 people in the U.S. alone to go buy PS2's for the new GTA. Could it be that people can't wait that long for an Xbox version, or maybe the PS2 really does have quality titles other than GTA's on it that can attract people. -Microsoft wishes they could enter the handheld industry, unfortunately they've lost billions on the Xbox and another piece of hardware would be suicide. -Sony won't have to convince the consumer that the PS3 is better than the Xbox 2, it's Microsoft who'll have to convince the consumer that the Xbox 2 is better than the PS3. -From my knowledge Peter Moore said nothing of the kind. Nintendo have released a new Mario and a new Zelda but they didnt compete with Halo. I must agree however that they under estimated Xbox. For me, Nintendo rely far too much on their franchaises that are over used in my view... -I doubt 650,000 actually bought a PS2 just for San Andreas. The fact is the slim line PS2 was released the same time as the game, which obviously helped boost both console and game sales. -Microsoft have already commented on the handheld market. They have said they are 100% focused on the console market and doesnt see the need to compete in the handheld market. They said they already have Windows based handheld systems so they are already in the handheld market... They also commented on the handheld war and said to do well in the handheld market you first need to be an established company in the games industry. Both Nintendo and Sony are, and M$ said they were more interested in the DS than PSP...Obviously fans of Nintendo... -All 3 companies need to convince consumers. If Sony want to do well they cant rely on brand name. With Xbox 2 out first i can see it taking the lead similar to what PS2 did....
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Post by SilverWarriorGoku on Dec 21, 2004 15:30:09 GMT -5
I think that Microsoft and Nintendo don't really compete anyway... To be honest they are all competing against Sony for the marketing topspot. I agree with the statement that they just release new versions of Zelda and mario, but some people find it hard to let go of these classics and nintendo probably just thought: Why dont we make money off of them?. The worse of them however are Pokemon Fire red/ leaf green etc they merely make slight adjustments to the games and release them again and again and again. First it was the original on the Gameboy colour, pokemon fire/blue then the poor remake gold. then it was gold/silver/ CRYSTAL then ruby sapphire EMRALD now they are making Pearl and Diamond for the Ds they will probably make pokemon Steel next. :l The zelda games offer a new storyline each time. If games however, offer the same target everytime *cough* pokemon - pokemon master *cough* then the sales will slowly decrease. this happened to pokemon gold in around 2000.
Also, the Gamecube 2 (unreleased name so Gc2 for now) I think will be a worthy competitor, it might even have DvD capabilities which sony and microsoft fans (so rightly) always comment on.
I agree with shadow, the first console out most probably gain the lead HOWEVER, they all still need to prove that they are worth buying, Ps2 made more money than the X-box (im stating facts) so this may hype up the Ps2 owners to wait for the Ps3 instead of the first console.
Also, the Ps2 didnt ever need san andreas to sell, to be honest i think san andreas is over rated, but then again i prefer rpgs and other genres of games...
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Post by shadow on Dec 21, 2004 16:12:52 GMT -5
Like i said, each console has something to prove...Some more than others. Personally, i think Xbox 2 has the most to prove. Its going to be released first and needs to prove its not worth waiting for PS3...If they fail doing this its 2nd place again for M$...
As for Nintendo, it depends what they want to achieve. Do they want to continue with the same old routine or make a realistic challenge for top spot.
As for Sony, i feel they will have a poor launch and live off the brand name for a while. Then slowly try to turn up the heat. I see PS3 trying to keep up with Xbox personally.
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Post by FoxExecutive on Dec 21, 2004 19:18:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I totally agree. I would say the XBox 2 does have the most to prove. MS really needs to make sure they do one heck of a job convincing Sony lovers that the XBox 2 has more to offer. I believe Sony's marketing strategy would be to release a ton of info about the PS3 next to the XBox 2's launch date, especially if Sony has possibly a better system. Nintendo hasn't really anything to prove to its fan base. Because Nintendo makes quality games and Nintendo fans will always like those games. But it has a very difficult time proving that it can sell third party titles as effectively as the other systems and that those titles will be qualtity titles to the consumer. Another thing Nintendo must do is reach out to the adult oriented gamer. Some people no longer care for the classic games like Mario and Zelda, and prefer games like Halo, MGS, and GTA. Nintendo needs to prove that it will no longer be behind the times. Online gaming and extra peripherals are a must. People don't want to just play games, they want to pop in a dvd every once in a while. Sony has really nothing to prove except that it can offer a system worthy of buying.
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Post by HLOCKE on Dec 21, 2004 22:42:26 GMT -5
Well, since this discussion could go on forever... I vote that we get back on topic and discuss the Nintendo DS . In New News: Nintendo today announced that it has shipped more than 2 million DS units in Japan and America. The dual-screen handheld made its debut in America on November 21 and went on sale two weeks later in Japan on December 2. The American launch saw more than a half a million units sold within the first week of release, while the Japanese launch saw the same number of units sold in just four days. Nintendo has also announced that the handheld has sold more than 1 million units alone in America. In Japan, sales of the DS have not quite reached 1 million yet, but the company expects to reach that number by December 24. Nintendo plans to ship 2.8 million units of its handheld by the end of the year in both Japan and America to meet holiday demand, which represents an increase of 40 percent more units than Nintendo originally planned to ship. The DS announcement comes nine days after Nintendo's rival Sony launched its PSP into the handheld market in Japan. Although the PSP has been selling out across the country, its sales numbers were less impressive than the DS's because of a smaller number of units available at launch. Nintendo shipped 570,000 units for its Japanese launch, as opposed to the smaller figure of fewer than 200,000 units for Sony's PSP launch. The PSP will be released in North America in the first quarter of 2005. The DS will test another market when it's released in Europe in the first quarter of 2005. For more on the DS, visit GameSpot's DS Launch Center. By Staff -- GameSpot -www.gamespot.com
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Post by shadow on Dec 22, 2004 15:05:32 GMT -5
I'd say the DS faces a tough time in Europe... People in Europe are usually well informed when it comes to the video games industy. DS will have to do alot to gain the same sort of sales as Japan and US.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Dec 22, 2004 16:17:00 GMT -5
its all sold out in japan
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Post by shadow on Dec 22, 2004 17:39:24 GMT -5
its all sold out in japan True. But thats due to a short initial launch stock... Nintendo were unsure how DS would do, so to save being humiliated having too much stock left, suply a small launch stock to retailers and see how its goes... The launch has been excellent for DS in Japan and its doen well in the US as well... It aways helps when reports fly in saying its sold out. It makes more people want to see what the fuss is about...
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Dec 22, 2004 17:47:17 GMT -5
True. But thats due to a short initial launch stock... Nintendo were unsure how DS would do, so to save being humiliated having too much stock left, suply a small launch stock to retailers and see how its goes... The launch has been excellent for DS in Japan and its doen well in the US as well... It aways helps when reports fly in saying its sold out. It makes more people want to see what the fuss is about... It went out in like one week or less sucks big time , my sister didnt get hers haha she got hers late
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Post by Sasukhan on Dec 23, 2004 6:28:36 GMT -5
i havnt got mine yet, i ordered it and supposed to get it for christmas blah sucks. how long does it take to get more in stock
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Dec 23, 2004 9:07:01 GMT -5
I got mine like the first day
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Post by FoxExecutive on Dec 23, 2004 15:29:46 GMT -5
Excellent to hear that Nintendo, however, has done well. Although like Shadow said, the European market will be tough. All in all I hope it does do well.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Dec 23, 2004 17:03:29 GMT -5
yeah i know its good but why its hard there?
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