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Post by SKJTapion on Feb 23, 2005 14:21:19 GMT -5
Now, although GT wanders a bit towards the end there ;D, he brings a good point. I use the Celtic swords. Love 'em. Unfortunately, due to school and other such social activities I am far from a master. Hel no! I'm compotent. See, even if you have a knack for the sword, that ain't enough. Its like workout, you have to keep doing it. You stop for a day and it can have knock-on effects resulting in loss of technique.
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Post by Geddy Lee on Feb 23, 2005 14:27:40 GMT -5
How popular is this stuff every where else?
I've never, ever, ever seen one person in Canada even talk about local sword, samurai dancing stuff that goes on............ but we do like the movies ;D
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Post by SKJTapion on Feb 23, 2005 14:31:12 GMT -5
Samurais get alot of press on TV, in comics, Anime, video games etc. Its over-rated in my opinion. I used to be obsessed with Samurais until I started doing some actual research on the buggers. Their Bushido code really doesn't work without a Feudal system of goverment and, despite all the romantic bullshyt done on Samurais, they really were ruthless and cruel.
EDIT: Racist as well... ;D
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Feb 23, 2005 17:03:12 GMT -5
See now Tarugi i know Trains and all but kyodo you say you train every day,To be a samurai you must go through rigorouse Trainging for hours and you with school and the time you spend on the computer daily have no time to train. " A true master paralyzes his oponent leaving him vulnerable to attack" I train at night, to keep my eyes keen ever since the event with my eyes. I train in the morning...I train all the time in my head. " A true master paralyzes his oponent leaving him vulnerable to attack" hmm...to me that doesnt mean paralizes just physically, but mentally as well. Samurais get alot of press on TV, in comics, Anime, video games etc. Its over-rated in my opinion. I used to be obsessed with Samurais until I started doing some actual research on the buggers. Their Bushido code really doesn't work without a Feudal system of goverment and, despite all the romantic bullshyt done on Samurais, they really were ruthless and cruel. EDIT: Racist as well... ;D Well, This is modern time, dont live in the past. True you cant be a true samurai like in the PAST. But the way the samurai look doesnt count. Its the way they think. And ruthless? , no they actually use to help alot. Some who betrayed and fought against the ninjas, were cruel. I am a true samurai. I think about friends and family before me. Blood is thicker then water. I know no pain. I have felt anything there is to feel, grief, lost, love, hate, sickness, Happiness, and much more. A samurai is not just a person with a sword, thats only in the movies. You cant research on a samurai, to fully understand and expericence the way of the bushido , you must become a samurai. No paper, no words, no video, no web site can explain the way the samurai's feel, think, and the reason they act the way they act.
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Post by SKJTapion on Feb 23, 2005 17:11:04 GMT -5
Umm... the essence of Samurai is in the past. Bushido was a strict warrior code but it also formed a vital part of old Japanese goverment, a feudal goverment. Samurais were ruthless. Why? Because their code demanded respect. If a peasant passed a Samurai in the street and failed to show respect then that peasant would lose his/her head. If a Samurai screwed up then not only was their life forfeit but also the lives of their close family. Wife, children, parents, aunts, uncles, nephews, nieces... You get the idea. Ones who betrayed and fought the ninjas... Ninjas had no alliegance. They worked on contract. They were also despised by Samurais because they lacked honour. And a true Samurai didn't put anything before duty and their Daimo. There was the Emperor to consider as well, but he did naff all... The reason they act the way they act? Its drilled into them from the moment they are born. Read Shogun. Its essentially a true story. Names and situations were changed but it is based on an actual account of an English merchant who found himself stranded on Japan.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Feb 23, 2005 17:16:42 GMT -5
Just like you are to the celtics, do not question my knowledge on the Samurai , my knowledge and expericence of the samurai far surpast yours. I live for the samurai, its all I have.
Let me explain it what I mention before.
A movie, anime, book, or anything written or created cant explain to you about a samurai. Most of it is made up and rumors. To expericence the life or even feel about it , is to actually put yourself in it. True the samurai's way was BROUGHT up in the past, but no. No , it doesnt mean there are no true samurai's left. In fact theres many. You cant judge a samurai by its look , he or she can be in a hakama or in a navy's alfit for all we know. But truely ,and most inner, the samurai's life and whole soul is on the inside
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Post by SKJTapion on Feb 23, 2005 17:20:49 GMT -5
Did I say anything about outfit? No. You can't have a true Samurai, who do they serve? You could have the heart of a Samurai, but that would leave you as an honourable Ronin. Simple matter of definition.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Feb 23, 2005 17:30:17 GMT -5
Did I say anything about outfit? No. You can't have a true Samurai, who do they serve? You could have the heart of a Samurai, but that would leave you as an honourable Ronin. Simple matter of definition. I didnt say anything about you saying the alfit And the samurai serve for their own purpose. I do not could have the heart of the samurai To me , anyone from then or now can be a true samurai, if they really cared.
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Post by Geddy Lee on Feb 23, 2005 17:34:25 GMT -5
well, if this is a way of life.. when will you ever put it to use? And dont say helping others or being strong or that sh*t because thats what every other culture does.
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Post by SKJTapion on Feb 23, 2005 17:35:38 GMT -5
You are missing my point, just like you did with the Celtic issue. You don't get your real bona fide Samurai anymore. Instead, you get people who have taken the lighter qualities and try, usually succeeding, to uphold them. If you were a real original Samurai then you would walk down the street leaving a trail of headless corpses and we all know that ain't the case. You get me? Or is it all lost in translation?
There is your mention on the outfit.
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Post by SuperTien on Feb 23, 2005 17:42:54 GMT -5
A true samurai could take a gun or a car, but it definetly depends on the situation and vehicle. A true samurai that was very great could dodge a pistol up until they got to there attacker, killing them or disabling them. Machine guns on the other hand are not very easy to avoid death. In a documentary I watched one of the main reasons to the falling out of the last generations of true samurai where the Galenton gun.
Another thing on samurai's being ruthless, it would have to depend on that one person itself or the clan they belonged to. Because different clans would have different beliefs in their teachings and code of bushido. Bushido also changed over time generation to generation, teacher to teacher.
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Yes I agree with that but not completly, trust me your reasearch is probably right for the most part. And yes samurai are over rated for those resons. But there were samurai true of heart , that where not as ruthless , ones that lived life free with a good understanding, and with more heart. Ones that where not cruel , stood up for what they believed in . I have read and saw one documentary of this.
Samurai's where different just like all other people are different. Just a majority would be ruthless,not all of them.
" Just because most wolves hunt in packs, does not mean they all do ."
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Post by SKJTapion on Feb 23, 2005 17:49:26 GMT -5
Geez, another...
With the whole gun thing, depends on the aim. Samurai where trained to be fast but they are only human and by the time you hear a gunshot, the bullet has already hit you. It was the Spanish and the Portugese who introduced the gun to Japan and it was they who were the beggining of the end for Feudal Japan. Although it was inevitable sooner or later. Yes, the Samurai were standing up for what they believed in. But that don't stop it being cruel. And my research did tell me that there was different clans who would operate differently. So I agree with you on the variance. Meh, past all my disagreeances with them, I must prefer them over the modern Japanese. But I am like that with all races. I wish Britain was still Briton and we were all still Celtic. It was better back then. But it ain't gonna happen.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Feb 23, 2005 17:49:45 GMT -5
You are missing my point, just like you did with the Celtic issue. You don't get your real bona fide Samurai anymore. Instead, you get people who have taken the lighter qualities and try, usually succeeding, to uphold them. If you were a real original Samurai then you would walk down the street leaving a trail of headless corpses and we all know that ain't the case. You get me? Or is it all lost in translation? There is your mention on the outfit. You have no idea , what I use my skills for and it just so happens I use it to save my life. And I think it is you who is lost in translation. The language of the Samurai (I mean understanding) can only be understand , by a samurai and you are not one. I wasnt saying that to you SuperTien Dodge a bullet? WTF stop watching movies. Yes you can research about how the samurai's lived or how they dressed, but you will never never fully UNDERSTAND a samurai unless you are one. Maybe someone ESLE can understand me , anyone?
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Post by SKJTapion on Feb 23, 2005 17:53:48 GMT -5
This is exactly what I am talking about, its as if you are spoiling for a fight.
I ain't talking about any kind of Samurai language. When I asked if it was lost in translation I meant did you understand me. Which you plainly didn't.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Feb 23, 2005 18:01:42 GMT -5
You miss understood me >_> I didnt set of the samurai language for me, I should of spaced it maybe. so does anyone ELSE have any questions or concerns about the samurais and maybe I can answer them I would like to share an expericence with my fellow members. When I turned 14 , I got acid in my eyes, and made my left eye blind and left eye sensitive to color and light. When that happen to me , I thought my whole samurai career was ruin and destoryed and ended. But my samurai taught me , just becuz I ran into a little bumps doesnt mean I have to stop. He told me if I was a real samurai I would overcome my eye. Thats why I train at night where its harder for me to see. Thats why I wear my patch. Well I wasnt the one who started the patch. My sensei told me to, of course like a confused young child with curosity I asked me , he thence said , becuz when others see it , they will know you are not inexpericence.
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