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Post by BlackCoven on Mar 16, 2005 7:01:08 GMT -5
ha ha ha, as crazy as it sounds, there are some unexplained events that raise the question of whether or not ET's were here before man.(monuments that is)
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Post by SnakeFire on Mar 16, 2005 12:56:39 GMT -5
I myself believe in creation, but one thing is true about life. Evolution effects everything and is constantly changing, so who to say it stems far enough back to our creation or not. Matter is constant in our universe, life will always exist because of matter. Who knows how long it took for God to create humans and everything..? In that, I mean how long was a day, before he created light? I don't know.... I am just thinking random things...
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Post by Neo Vegeta on Mar 16, 2005 14:03:35 GMT -5
Who knows how long it took for God to create humans and everything..? In that, I mean how long was a day, before he created light? I don't know.... I am just thinking random things... Personally, I believe the every "Day" the Bible speaks about is a literal 24 hour day, because of this verse. "And the evening and the morning were the first day." Genesis 1:05
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Post by SnakeFire on Mar 16, 2005 14:56:23 GMT -5
Yeah, but who knows how long it took for God to create morning and evening...
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Post by DeLaRocha99 on Mar 16, 2005 15:59:17 GMT -5
i think that a bunch of aliens came to earth and tried to clone some monkeys, but instead we came out, the aliens got scared of what they've done and left... Of course...That's definitely what I believe. I also believe that the only way we're going to be able to see the aliens that created us again, is if we 'phone home'
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Post by YoshikiRose on Mar 16, 2005 16:56:23 GMT -5
Everytime someone says "phone home", I think of the episode of Whose Line is it Anyway...
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Mar 16, 2005 17:08:31 GMT -5
I believe in the scientific way half on half.
If they say WE come from MONKEYS, then where did they MONKEYS come from?
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Post by Neo Vegeta on Mar 16, 2005 17:26:49 GMT -5
That is what many people ask, and those that support evolution say that apes came from an even "simpler" lifeform... but they are dead wrong, because of one major flaw in that idea.
The human genome and the genome of say, a Chimpanzee, have about a 2% difference...you would think that we are closely "related" because of this, but infact 2% of difference in the genome is so far apart that it is impossible that we are "related", and came from a distant relative species.
I posted this before, but It has meaning here too.
(MUTATION ACCUMULATIONS RELENTLESSLY FATAL: Any random change
in a complex, specific, functioning system wrecks that system. And living things
are the most complex functioning systems in the universe.Science has now
quantitated that a genetic mutation of as little as 1 billionth (0.0000001%) of an
animal's genome is relentlessly fatal.The genetic difference between human and
his nearest relative, the chimpanzee, is at least 1.6% Calculated out that is a
gap of at least 48 million nucleotide differences that must be bridged by random
changes. And a random change of only 3 nucleotides is fatal to an animal.
Geneticist Barney Maddox, 1992 )
(CHANGE WITHIN GENETIC BOUNDARIES: Microevolution does not lead beyond the confines of the species, and the typical products of microevolution,
the geographic races, are not incipient species. There is no such category as
incipient species. Richard B. Goldschmidt )
(DNA REPAIR: The genome is reproduced very faithfully and there are enzymes
which repair the DNA, where errors have been made or when the DNA is
damaged. - D.H.R. Barton, Professor of Chemistry, Texas A&M University,
Nobel Prize for Chemistry )
Now there IS one thing that I believe in that some people would call pure evolution, but which is not infact. It is called Horizontal Evolution, or adaptation, as some like to call it...this completely different from, Vertical Evolution, or Creation of New Species from Mutation of Genes, which, as proven above is absolutely impossible because it means death to the mutation *animal*.
Horizontal Evolution *adaptation* is when a creature is placed in a different habitat that it is normally accustomed to, and it "adapts" to the habitat by changing....NOTE: the change is not due to entrance of new Genes, or DNA, the change occurs naturally inside the existing DNA.
Example: The Mammoth Evolutionists say that the Mammoth was a completely different species from our Modern day Elephant, but, studieds of Mammoth DNA shows that a Male Mammoth could inpregnate a female Elephant, or vice versa...inpregnation is not possible outside of a species...the Mammoth is simply and Large Hairy Elephant.
More evidence of this.
Vita:
BSEE, 1950 University of Minnesota
U.S. Navy Commission as electronic specialist, 1951
Honeywell, Inc. 40 years in design and development of automatic controls for aircraft and spacecraft. Lead systems engineer on E1B/S2F automatic control system, lead systems engineer on Apollo command module control system – in addition to various aircraft and spacecraft systems. Independent research in ancient history, archaeology and dating techniques. Participation in excavation activities in Glen Rose, Texas and Hanson Ranch, Wyoming. President, Twin Cities Creation Science Association. Author of TEXAS TRACKS and ARTIFACTS.
Abstract: The secular view of mammoths centers on an Ice Age environment and extinction some 10,000 years ago. Some creationists view the mammoth remains as evidence from Noah's Flood. These large animals could never live in an Arctic environment such as we find in Siberia and northern Alaska, primarily because there is no food supply compatible with their needs. Scientific studies of these animals lead to the conclusions that they were from a temperate climate, there was a mass extinction of many of them, and many were buried along with trees and other vegetation after which the land became frozen by a sudden and permanent climate change. The cause of the extinction and burial appears to be a brief but massive flow of water from a post-Flood disturbance to the earth.
Introduction
The largest quantities of woolly mammoth remains are found in Arctic and sub-arctic locations. They had long hair and underwool, and those found with meat still on their bones showed a heavy layer of fat under the skin. From this evidence the secular view of mammoths is that these large animals, by evolutionary processes, were adapted to living in a cold climate. The frozen remains were attributed to the hazards of living in such a climate. But from earliest scientific studies of these animals, a different picture emerges.
I. Characteristics
Early research proved that the mammoth was distinct from modern elephants. Although related, it is a closer relative to the Asian elephant than the African elephant based on blood tests. It was not a tropical beast, neither was it adapted to living in the Arctic. Adaptation is supposedly based on thick skin, long fur and underwool, and fat deposits under the skin. Mammoth skin, essentially identical to that of the Indian elephant, does not have oil glands. Fur without oil glands is adaptation to a warm climate. The fat layer is not for insulation, but an indication of an adequate food supply. Preserved food found in the mouths and stomachs of several specimens contained temperate climate grasses which do not grow in the Arctic today, but 2000 kilometers farther south. Temperate climate plants and animals go together. The companions of the mammoth were woolly rhinoceros, bison, sheep, horses, bears, lions and deer.
II. Climate Conditions
The climate of Siberia and northern Alaska during the time of the mammoths was not the same as the present climate. Even Charles Lyell concluded that the mammoth Arctic climate was much warmer than it is today. The present tundra mosses and grasses which grow only about eight to ten weeks of the year are unpalatable and even toxic to large herbivores. Mammoths would be living in a practical desert under the present conditions.
Large rooted trunks of trees are found in beds containing mammoths. Large trees cannot grow over permafrost. Animals living with the mammoths, horses and bison, could not have endured the mires of Arctic summer which make travel almost impossible.
III. How Did Mammoths Die?
Some modern ideas of how mammoths died include falling into ice crevasses, falling over a cliff in a storm, falling through thin ice or being buried by a landslide.
Scientific analysis of bodies and other remains in the tundra provide the following information. Remains are for the most part just bones scattered about and piled together with trees, volcanic ash, vegetation and bones of other animals. Some animals were torn apart by violent action. Animals with preserved flesh are buried in the frozen tundra near its upper surface and usually at higher elevations. Decay began before the bodies were frozen, but once frozen they never thawed until exposed by erosion or excavation. The animals died suddenly in the late summer as indicated by food found in their stomach or mouth. Frozen mammoth remains and other animal remains increase in number the farther north one goes in Siberia, being most numerous in the New Siberian Islands.
The probable cause of the death of so many animals is described by H.H. Howorth.
"A great catastrophe occurred by which the mammoth and its companions were overwhelmed over a large part of the earth. This catastrophe involved a brief but widespread rush of water which not only killed the animals but also buried them under continuous beds of loam and gravel."
IV. Dating the Catastrophe
The big question is "When did it happen?" Based on Biblical history, the event happened after the Flood of Noah. Not all people agree with this conclusion.
But there were other effects of the orientation change. Great tidal waves were reported by the Chinese and North American Indians. The Sahara dried out and became a desert. Its present condition appears to have begun after 2000 B.C. The Tarim basin in China was once populated with cities and settlements and forests. Now it is mostly desert. There is evidence that India, Pakistan and Iran all had abundant rainfall before the climate changed. Large areas of former agricultural land on the India-Pakistan border are now desert. American deserts once had abundant rainfall based on pollen and tree remnants found at archaeological sites. All the world's deserts seem to have started about 3500 years ago. This is the same period identified by Charles Ginenthal for the extinction of the mammoths. It is also the time of the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt.
References
1.Stewart, J.M., Frozen Mammoths from Siberia bring Ice Ages to vivid life, SMITHSONIAN, Vol 8 No. 9, Dec. 1977
2.Hapgood, C.H., The Extinction of the Mammoths and the Mastodons, Ch. 10, The Path of the Pole
3.Howorth, H.H., The Mammoth and the Flood, London 1887
4.Farrand, W.R., Frozen Mammoths and Modern Geology, SCIENCE, 17 March, 1961
5.Dillow, J.C., The Riddle of the Frozen Giants, Ch. 10, The Waters Above, 1982
6.Ginenthal, Charles, The Extinction of the Mammoth, The Velikovskian, Vol III, Nos. 2,3, 1997
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Mar 16, 2005 17:30:20 GMT -5
It would be funny if we all were dreaming, and none of this is really happening, and were not even real. Nothing is real, friendship, love, and anything is not happening, only in your mind, It makes me smile to think about it O.O
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Post by Neo Vegeta on Mar 16, 2005 17:43:59 GMT -5
To get off from research, and just say something on my mind...
I want to let those of you who do believe in evolution know something. I used to believe in evolution too...yeah yeah, I can hear it now (WTF?!) Before I became saved and became a Christian, I was always into Scientific proof of everything, and I thought that Evolution was right because of one reason....I was always told it was right, but was never SHOWN it was right...that was what made me think. I looked anywhere I could, books, internet, anywhere. But I could find absolutely NOTHING that proved evolution, only assumptions and theories. My family, having a Christian backround, made me look into Creation....so, as with Evolution, I did my homework. I found several things, some of which I have already posted here, that absolutely blew Evolution out of the water, so to speak. Some things I found made little since, because I was always told something absolutely different from the evolution mindset...but what I found, infact, to my suprise was true.
EVERYTHING I have posted here, is 100% scientificly proven, and PROVES that evolution as is taught is nothing but a Lie, and in all honestly, a Religion in itself.
I will personally pay the person who shows Proof, without a shadow of a doubt that evolution is the answer 1 million Dollars. I SAY THIS IN ALL HONESTY.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Mar 16, 2005 17:49:21 GMT -5
Why wouldnt we believe you, its your thought, you cant be wrong about that, and its balh scientific proven so we cant say something about it.
Though I really dont believe in god creating us, or the monkey crap.
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Post by SnakeFire on Mar 16, 2005 19:06:01 GMT -5
So than-how do you think we came to be? Don't keep on repeating the same shyt without an explanation or philosophy...
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Mar 16, 2005 19:10:24 GMT -5
Yes, but why do we have to be place here? What if we were here from the start. Just there, no god, no aliens.
Or we all can be sleeping,...dreaming.
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Post by Gotetsu© on Mar 16, 2005 19:11:24 GMT -5
Well hieisloves over active imagaination has a point there,What if we are just "thoughts"?
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Post by SnakeFire on Mar 16, 2005 19:13:40 GMT -5
Yes, but why do we have to be place here? What if we were here from the start. Just there, no god, no aliens. Or we all can be sleeping,...dreaming. "Welcome, to the real world." Do you want the blue pill, or the RED one?! How about some real stuff guys- very unoriginal...
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