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Post by DeLaRocha99 on Feb 24, 2005 15:50:23 GMT -5
I with you there. There are so many things in the majin buu saga that I would love to see in a live action movie, but unfortunatly I don't think they would or even should do it. It just doesn't have anything concrete to stand on. I can tell that they were just searching for a means/reason to continue the series. I talked about that in one of my previous post. I'm a huge fan of the anime (which I do think that some people on here believe I am because of the post that I made in here) but as big of a fan I am I know that a lot of changes must be made in order for it to become a successful film series. I know it's going to need a jolt of class and some limitations for it to really be taken serious. Without limitations (which we know that db/z/gt doesn't have) things like death, tragedy, anything that is supposed to spark an emotional response will not be taken seriously because of the nature of the show. Simply put they makes a mokery of it. And people if you think for a second that a mainstream crowd would not mind substituting some class, some stability, and some limitations for abunch of mindless action then you kidding yourselves. The one thing that I want more than anything for this film series is that it is successful, and for all the people who never understood why we love the show so much. Would finally understand why, and a whole knew crop of db/z/gt fans are born. I hope you all truly understand the points that I am trying to convey to you and think that I am just an idiot who knows nothing about the series. Just to let you know I originally hated the idea of a live action movie because I knew that they were going to have to change a lot of things, but change can at times be good. Yes, I agree with all of the points you just made. I've said things like that before, but you just put it in better words
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Post by VoR on Feb 24, 2005 20:08:49 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with all of the points you just made. I've said things like that before, but you just put it in better words I'm glad you agree. Now if we can only get everyone else to understand this. It's just that majority of everyone on here just can't seem to get beyond the action and special effects of the movie (we all know that all of it can be done with ease). In the anime the fighting, the action, and powerups take presendence over the actual story of the show. While with a movie it needs to be the other way around (especially if you want it to be successful on the big screen) the action takes a supportting role to buildup the plot (meaning less action). The different sagas already have good plots they just need to omit the actions/fights that don't have anything to offer to the main/central plot.
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Post by Reptile on Feb 25, 2005 9:14:59 GMT -5
I'm with you too vor...and I understand what you're saying. You are one of the few people in here that does make sense and knows how to adapt this franchise on a good way. I agree with practicly everything you're saying. Especially tha part: "While with a movie it needs to be the other way around (especially if you want it to be successful on the big screen) the action takes a supportting role to build up the plot (meaning less action). " Such a sentence makes me believe you truly are at your place in the filmschool .
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Post by TheGr8Sage on Mar 3, 2005 10:00:42 GMT -5
to VoR
What people need to realise is that not everyone has the same opinion and views on things personally i think it should stop at the end of majin buu saga, because that is the end of dragonballz plus alot of people want to see certain things, i want to see goku finish of kid buu and i want to see pikon vs goku...in the first movie it should be narratored at the beginning, and IN MY OPINION maybe show goku sleeping and then the camera fades into what goku is dreaming about, which recaps the whole picolo fight and by doing this introducing everyone then have goku wake up and grab gohan and head over to master roshi's then raditz lands etc etc etc, the hold dreaming scene maybe takeing up 20 mins instead of a whole movie personally from what i read alot of people want it started at dbz, if they make make all these movies from saiyan saga to buu, they should just cut down the sagas, so more or less get to the point as the sagas in dbz were very drawn out, especially buu and freeza saga, so if you condense all the good important stuff out of each saga, nothing will be damaged and im sure everyone will love it
the things id hate to see is the voices of characters be changed as vegeta and picolo's voice are unique
also id hate the converting of cartoon to movie to change into a soppy action / love movie EXAMPLE theres no love scenes in dbz apart from the occasional 1 or 2, but to make the movie with love scenes everywhere would ruin it, fox just pleasing people who go the movies for a good love movie
in alien vs predator i thought it was done very well, no big stars, no love scenes, and was ended very well, there wasnt as much action as i wanted, but if people didnt make mistakes they wouldnt put rubbers on the end of pencils, but not to get of track, in alien vs predator, the aliens were forming and the predators were ready, and when the first predator was killed BOOM the movie starts there, i thought it was well done my point is people wanted to see alien vs predator fight, and thats what they got, but if dbz ends up with a soppy story line and a toootal different storyline to dbz, that will kill it, i doubt theyd want to make a second movie if it flops
=) just my opion
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Post by Devio on Mar 7, 2005 15:31:04 GMT -5
Okay, so granted i didn't read all of the forum, there are a lot of ideas in here and it is hard to get through all of them. So if i repeat something please forgive me. As 'captain forum' here, i also study film and here is my pitch: 1) The biggest thing about all getting this thing right is character development. man that fights adversity for those that he loves, Goku, or the over pompous vegita, or a character that just grits his teeth and goes for it like krillin...if you don't have these characters you have nothing. 2) Pretty much tied for first is the story, if you don't depict the dragonball environment and universe then once again you have nothing. There must be an understanding of energies and dragonballs, alien spiecies and the constant stuggle to save a delicate planet and NO TALKING DOGS, that is the worst idea in the world. 3) Everything must be relative to the people. When goku fights, people must cheer for him, cry when krilling dies, become furious when gohan becomes hurt.....become speachless when Picollo sacrifices himself for gohan. These are the things that make DBZ such a success. The constant uphill struggle that is life, where Goku and Company is you light at the end of the tunnle. 4) The visual aspect of everything, as stated earlier it should be something that people have never seen before, but if can't be done during our current state of development i would wait another 10 yrs to see it done right. There should be a DBZ feel to the film but not look exactly like it. I think that the color and and everything should stay, that gives it a great feel. The energy and supersayin colors and look should stay the same, that is what all the fans will be waiting for. It should look and feel like an epic!
Beyond these four points i think it will be alright. If they can keep it togeather and tell a great story i think that the films will be fine. I don't know if they should be 4 hrs long, that may be how long we want them, but that is a very large time slot.
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Post by VoR on Mar 17, 2005 22:17:50 GMT -5
TheGr8Sage good post, and your right this board is filled with many opinions. I totally understand where your coming from when you say that some of the sagas are entiruly to long. They need to be shortened by taking out what isn't vital to the main story. Also like I said before take out repeating events. So as not to kill the story. Which is one thing that the db/z/gt specializes in. Now the reason why I am against them doing the majin buu saga is because of this......... Goku coming back for 1 day after sacraficing his life trying to kill Cell. Kicking dirt all over that moment. Then later on Vegeta finally sacrafices his life for someone other than himself and that moment was crapped on because he's comes back again with a halo noless (after Piccolo told him that his spirit would be seperated from his body, cleansed and then sent to Hell). Everybody was killed and the Earth was destroyed. Everyone is then brought back to life Goku and Vegeta kill Buu..................oh yeah that's right Buu is still alive (well fatbuu that is) because he is good now and is now their friend not knowing that if he gets angry again that the whole thing won't just start all over again. On the bigscreen it would just feel as if it is just dragging along (meaning we'll have a lot of busy bodies in the theatre). Then again like you said that is my opinion.
Devio I like what you said about the environments, universe, energies, and the dragonballs. The audience has to get a feel and understanding of them or they'll just be pissing in the wind. That is exactly what Star Wars and Lotr did. You had an understanding and a good feel for them. Both worlds had an order to it that envolved and impacted everyone that was in the world. Which is something that they need to do for the DB/Z movies. Because if the world is in trouble it should effect more than just the main characters. In other words the people should have some envolvement in the story. Government, police forces, military forces, and etc are some things that are need to some order. Pons might be insegnificate pieces on a chess board but they still are pieces, pieces that are needed in order to play the game. Of course that is my opinion.
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