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Post by Stryyder on Mar 18, 2005 18:00:29 GMT -5
He gets asked to be in big movies because he was in the Matrix. I still have no respect for him. He is talentless.
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Post by SSjin4Superraizen on Mar 18, 2005 21:05:56 GMT -5
He gets asked to be in big movies because he was in the Matrix. I still have no respect for him. He is talentless. He still was very well known before the Matrix and still had pretty big roles before it. Also the Matrix script was ment for Will Smith to play Neo and I thought Keanu did a great Job of being Neo considering it was a role that was ment for Will Smith.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Mar 19, 2005 19:01:08 GMT -5
He gets asked to be in big movies because he was in the Matrix. I still have no respect for him. He is talentless. If he was a bad actor then he would have so much money.
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Post by Kool-Aid Man on Mar 20, 2005 16:38:46 GMT -5
If he was a bad actor then he would have so much money. This argument doesn't hold much water, for an actor's success isn't necessarily indicative of his talent. While I'm not about to call Keanu talentless, he's far from being a truly great actor; he's vapid and he's ceased to show semblances of versatility. Furthermore, as has been said, he would make a horrible Spike...unless, of course, the movie were to be built around Keanu, in which case it's likely that many of the positive aspects of the series would be lost.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Mar 20, 2005 17:24:43 GMT -5
Hold water? O.o
I dont care if you think he would make a bad spike, but saying hes a bad actor is sh*t
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Post by SSjin4Superraizen on Mar 21, 2005 14:07:09 GMT -5
This argument doesn't hold much water, for an actor's success isn't necessarily indicative of his talent. While I'm not about to call Keanu talentless, he's far from being a truly great actor; he's vapid and he's ceased to show semblances of versatility. Furthermore, as has been said, he would make a horrible Spike...unless, of course, the movie were to be built around Keanu, in which case it's likely that many of the positive aspects of the series would be lost. Keanu a bad spike?! LOL! all the characters he has been playing lately have the same adittidue of spike, also spike isnt really a hard guy to play.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Mar 21, 2005 14:08:26 GMT -5
^thank you!
Hes the perfect guy for spike, and he can also look like spike if he wanted to.
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Post by Stryyder on Mar 21, 2005 14:30:42 GMT -5
The same as spike? Ok, haven't seen constantine so I'll rule that out. Ok, Neo Vs. Spike
Neo = Scared, whiney, unsure of himself and oblivious to anything around him because he doesn't understand it.
Spike = Self assured, laid back, easy going and oblivious to things going around him cause it doesn't concern him.
Neo was the Antithesis of spike. Give me some logical basis for that statement, cause I see none currently.
As well, saying Spike is an easy character to play? A character's difficulty is based on that characters backstory. Spike is one of the most emotionally complex characters I've seen. Saying that he is an easy character to play shows blatently that you haven't seen the show enough times to see that.
Kool-aid man is right. The only way Keannu could be Spike would be if you built the role around him, and it would kill much of the substance that made Bebop the cultural phenomenon it is/was.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Mar 21, 2005 14:34:17 GMT -5
The same as spike? Ok, haven't seen constantine so I'll rule that out. Ok, Neo Vs. Spike Neo = Scared, whiney, unsure of himself and oblivious to anything around him because he doesn't understand it. Spike = Self assured, laid back, easy going and oblivious to things going around him cause it doesn't concern him. Neo was the Antithesis of spike. Give me some logical basis for that statement, cause I see none currently. As well, saying Spike is an easy character to play? A character's difficulty is based on that characters backstory. Spike is one of the most emotionally complex characters I've seen. Saying that he is an easy character to play shows blatently that you haven't seen the show enough times to see that. Kool-aid man is right. The only way Keannu could be Spike would be if you built the role around him, and it would kill much of the substance that made Bebop the cultural phenomenon it is/was. Wait until you see the Constantine before you say anything about him not being a spike man. He is totally different then when he played Neo. He acts like spike in the constantine
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Post by SSjin4Superraizen on Mar 21, 2005 15:59:09 GMT -5
The same as spike? Ok, haven't seen constantine so I'll rule that out. Ok, Neo Vs. Spike Neo = Scared, whiney, unsure of himself and oblivious to anything around him because he doesn't understand it. Spike = Self assured, laid back, easy going and oblivious to things going around him cause it doesn't concern him. Neo was the Antithesis of spike. Give me some logical basis for that statement, cause I see none currently. As well, saying Spike is an easy character to play? A character's difficulty is based on that characters backstory. Spike is one of the most emotionally complex characters I've seen. Saying that he is an easy character to play shows blatently that you haven't seen the show enough times to see that. Kool-aid man is right. The only way Keannu could be Spike would be if you built the role around him, and it would kill much of the substance that made Bebop the cultural phenomenon it is/was. You just describe Spikes personality in yet you say hes hard to play? Almost any actors can act Self assured, laid back, easy going and oblivious to things going around him cause it doesn't concern him. Hell I could friggin do it. The point is that Keanu is a good actor and spike isnt as hard to play as people might think the one we have to worry about is someone fitting Jet or Vicious part.
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Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Mar 21, 2005 16:06:30 GMT -5
I think Vicious's role will be hardest to fit.
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Post by Kool-Aid Man on Mar 22, 2005 16:31:21 GMT -5
Firstly, Keanu's way too old for the part; the dude's over 40! Second, anyone who tries to fill Spike's shoes should be a person who is capable of making something truly compelling and interesting out of the emotional baggage Spike carries around, and Keanu would simply not be able to do so. Yes, the guy can mope, but there's far more to Spike than depression. "Well," some might argue, "he's done comedy, you know," to which I say, "Yes, and he was absolutely terrible at it." And I'm not just talking Bill and Ted, I'm also talking more recent stuff like The Replacements, in which Keanu seems painfully out-of-place and amazingly one-dimensional.
Think about it: Spike displays numerous different emotions over the course of the series and because the characterization is so spot-on, virtually everything he does in these different "emotional aesthetics" makes sense and resonates with viewers. Can you really picture Keanu replicating this believability and emotional resonance?
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Post by SSjin4Superraizen on Mar 22, 2005 16:43:52 GMT -5
Firstly, Keanu's way too old for the part; the dude's over 40! Second, anyone who tries to fill Spike's shoes should be a person who is capable of making something truly compelling and interesting out of the emotional baggage Spike carries around, and Keanu would simply not be able to do so. Yes, the guy can mope, but there's far more to Spike than depression. "Well," some might argue, "he's done comedy, you know," to which I say, "Yes, and he was absolutely terrible at it." And I'm not just talking Bill and Ted, I'm also talking more recent stuff like The Replacements, in which Keanu seems painfully out-of-place and amazingly one-dimensional. Think about it: Spike displays numerous different emotions over the course of the series and because the characterization is so spot-on, virtually everything he does in these different "emotional aesthetics" makes sense and resonates with viewers. Can you really picture Keanu replicating this believability and emotional resonance? Maybe Im sure that people that have seen booty call would never expect to see Jamie Foxx winning an Oscar for portraying the late great Ray Charles.
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Post by Stryyder on Mar 22, 2005 19:30:55 GMT -5
I could have seen it. I've seen plenty of Jamie Foxx and he's done many different roles, both stupid and compelling ones. I'm not talking about from ONE movie. I'm talking any role I've seen Keanu in. Kool aid man hit it on the head. With the amazing cultural, emotional and personal happenings in that show, the movie would have to be blockbuster(the movie term, not the video store) quality material. And Keanu could NOT portray that.
Rider brought up a good point that lead me to a decision on this. We need a new-blood actor to be Spike. Someone with no hollywood hype background, but with great potential.
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Post by SSjin4Superraizen on Mar 22, 2005 20:00:17 GMT -5
I could have seen it. I've seen plenty of Jamie Foxx and he's done many different roles, both stupid and compelling ones. I'm not talking about from ONE movie. I'm talking any role I've seen Keanu in. Kool aid man hit it on the head. With the amazing cultural, emotional and personal happenings in that show, the movie would have to be blockbuster(the movie term, not the video store) quality material. And Keanu could NOT portray that. Rider brought up a good point that lead me to a decision on this. We need a new-blood actor to be Spike. Someone with no hollywood hype background, but with great potential. Yeah thats everyones reaction, everybody wants a new guy to play their favorite anime characters because they think they will do such a perfect job, will look just like the character, and make the movie so true to the anime. But if you look at it from a Hollywood approch Big or known Actors have a bigger fan base than a new guy combine that with the movies already Big name in this case CB. I personally think that roles like Spike, Goku, Yusuke, guys like that should be played by experienced actors.
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