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Punk
Jan 27, 2005 16:09:49 GMT -5
Post by SKJTapion on Jan 27, 2005 16:09:49 GMT -5
Like it or not this must be done. Real Punk is not Sh*te Charlotte, Greenday, Blink or similar bands. Real Punk would be Bouncing Souls, Dropkick Murphys, The Filaments, DeathSkulls, Rejected, Sex Pistols, The Misfits etc. Want an example? www.householdnamerecords.co.uk/media/thefilaments.htmlClick the MP3 File links.
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Punk
Jan 27, 2005 16:44:29 GMT -5
Post by YoshikiRose on Jan 27, 2005 16:44:29 GMT -5
What about the Ramones and the Dead Kennedys?
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Punk
Jan 27, 2005 16:46:45 GMT -5
Post by SKJTapion on Jan 27, 2005 16:46:45 GMT -5
I also ommited Rancid. Woops. Ramones, of course, what was I thinking... But you get the picture.
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Punk
Jan 27, 2005 17:41:45 GMT -5
Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Jan 27, 2005 17:41:45 GMT -5
some people dont know true punk *puts volume all the way up for dropkick murphys*
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Punk
Jan 27, 2005 18:03:20 GMT -5
Post by SKJTapion on Jan 27, 2005 18:03:20 GMT -5
You ain't heard DeathSkulls yet, now that is Punk. ;D
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Punk
Jan 27, 2005 18:05:24 GMT -5
Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Jan 27, 2005 18:05:24 GMT -5
You ain't heard DeathSkulls yet, now that is Punk. ;D and tell me how do you know what I heard.
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Punk
Jan 27, 2005 18:13:30 GMT -5
Post by YoshikiRose on Jan 27, 2005 18:13:30 GMT -5
and tell me how do you know what I heard. It's a phrase. Watch it Hieislove, there's a fine line between independent and downright rude.
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Punk
Jan 27, 2005 18:18:09 GMT -5
Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Jan 27, 2005 18:18:09 GMT -5
It's a phrase. Watch it Hieislove, there's a fine line between independent and downright rude. ...*confused*...I wasnt being rude O.o he just said something and I wanted to know how he knew O.o sorry if I was rude BUT I didnt mean to be rude.
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Punk
Jan 27, 2005 19:43:43 GMT -5
Post by Mafioso11 on Jan 27, 2005 19:43:43 GMT -5
i like planet hemp! brazilian punk band .
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SockPerson
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Where is my mind?
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Punk
Jan 28, 2005 7:36:27 GMT -5
Post by SockPerson on Jan 28, 2005 7:36:27 GMT -5
I think in oder to distinguish what is "true punk," you have to know what punk is all about and where it came from. Luckily I found this nice thread on another forum, that explains just that. Well, for the most part. (this mostly applies to American punk:P) ---------------------------------------------------- Let's say there was these kids. These kids were poor, misunderstood, confused and frustrated. The reasons? No money. They were broke and the hippie bands were reaping large rewards based on these songs about love, and other meaningless content. Now, these kids decided they wanted nothing more than to mock the industry they hated by making music so horrible and angry, none would dare exploit it or make it "mainstream". The very idea of the hippies liking what they were doing made them sick.. So sick they would revolt any of the like coming anywhere near what they were doing. With that said, Punk music was "unofficially" born. Guys like Richard Hell, Tom Verlaine, Iggy Pop, Joey Ramone, Lou Reed being the ringleader. This sonic noise, and those lyrics.. What are they crazy? How dare they sing about such things? Who would like this muisc? Well, the public got their answer. This "street music" as it was labeled before the brits came along was getting some serious play. Kids withering in the the economic fallout of New York City were enjoying this. New York City was in shambles in the 70's. Which is where this was all born, by the way... They were poor too, they were confused, and they all hated hippies. So this is what they started. Then, overseas caught wind of the music pretty quick. Clubs like CBGBS, Max's Kansas City, Electric Circus, Filmore East and The Mercer Arts Center were filling up all throughout the early to late 70s with these street bands. The D@mned was the first british band to be called "punks' cuz they looked like disheveled lunatics hell bent on killing people more than making music. However, much like the brits popularized and commercialized the blues, rock and roll, and anything else, so the exploitation of punk began. The Sex Pistols and X were the first of the bunch, followed by Sioxsie and the Banshees, made commercial "singles" and released them to the radio and so it began. Kids starting dying their hair, getting mohawks, buying safety pins and painting their clothes, ripping shirts and re-attacthing them together with those safety pins. This was a sad time for punk music as a whole. Meanwhile, back in the USA, the 80's brought a new seed of bands, some who followed the Brits, like the Descendants, Agent Orange and Gang Green decided they liked the catchy pop sounds, while bands like Husker Du and the Minutemen took it a whole new direction, cuz they were anti everything. This was the sentiment that followed well into the mid 80's. In the early 80's, some bands decided to use punk music as a tool to go against the grain so to speak, and a new breed of bands were born. Scenes started popping up everywhere. In Minneapolis you had The Minutemen and Husker Du, In California you had Bad Religion, the Dead Kennedys, Fear, Circle Jerks. Bands like this became standard, and suddenly punk was a music taken to like a cause. Hardcore was being born with bands like Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Black Flag, and a slew of others. Suddenly instead of being anti-mainstream, it became anti-everything, and punk songs were now being used as a platform for change. This is where I must stop and ask for comments. Now that punks have decided to write somgs about social issues, political reform, social acceptance and change, which group commonly hated by punks who they now most closely resemble? Hippies. Maybe cuz every one of punk's founding fathers was a junkie, the new school decided to create this bullcrap imagery like Straight-Edge, and all the other silly labels that follow. During the early to mid 70's, the music industry was becoming just that, an industry. Songs were about love, anguish, loneliness, and all that, but while the poor stand aside and watch, guys were hitting the stage with elaborate anthem like schemes, crazy stage shows, spandex, long hair, image image image. Music was not made for the effort of making music, but more and more bands were "marketing" their fan base to try and sell records. Pop stars became the norm. It was more than just the "flower power" of the SF hippies thing. We know the sounds coming out of any Ramones show from 1975 on was the punk music that we all know now, but they were quite simple in appearance and really never displayed any image at all. They looked... well, normal. Aside from the long hair, they wore jeans and t-shirts. The music was the music though. All the early bands were on major labels too. Labels were quite different back then, and there was no MTV. The Ramones ended up with radio songs, as well as Television, Iggy and the Stooges, and that really wasn't their fault. The radio just kinda changed to suit them I guess. As for the D@mned vs. The Ramones.. the folks who write the music histories and create genres and classifications made that call, but anyone is entitled to their own opinions about the whole affair. To continue with our little history, I would first like to point out that there is a clear and seperate set of ideals that surround punk culture aside from the music. As we all know, lyrically the old school bands weren't all that "anti" anything that could be pointed out by lyrics. However in the U.K., bands used the music as the platform for outright social disgust. They had reasons to complain as well, and "street music" was exactly the style for that. U.K. kids left orphaned or fatherless in WW2 were becoming teenagers and coming into their own, and once these kids found no jobs or economic relief for anyone, the attack on the Queen and America's government truly began. Bands of the early 80's simply followed the lead given to them by the Sex Pistols and the like. All kinds of sects were forming out of the fallout of first generation punk culture, and the British influence is where we got the punk "uniforms". Dyed hair, ripped clothes, safety pins, combat boots, all designed to abruptly attack proper British lifestyle, and upper class Americans as well. There were reasons for most of the other "looks" and most of them were simply out of poor kids getting hand me downs and whatever clothes they came across. Safety pins were good to keep ripped clothes together, and boots were pretty cheap and lasted forever. The hair dye was just what I said. It said "We won't conform to the standards set upon us by status quo". I will be recognized for who I am inside, and not for the way I look. I guess thats how the blunt of it went anyway. Once that "look" got here to our shores, it was packaged and sold to the Amercian public.. and we totally fell for it. Funny thing is, we still do. --------------------------------------------------- Posted by DBoon's Ghost I'll post the rest later if you like reading this stuff.
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Punk
Jan 28, 2005 11:35:28 GMT -5
Post by TheDarkPrince on Jan 28, 2005 11:35:28 GMT -5
THE BOUNCING SOULS!!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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Punk
Jan 28, 2005 17:12:14 GMT -5
Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Jan 28, 2005 17:12:14 GMT -5
THE BOUNCING SOULS!!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Whats wrong with the Bouncing Souls , I like them O.o
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Punk
Jan 28, 2005 19:09:24 GMT -5
Post by DeLaRocha99 on Jan 28, 2005 19:09:24 GMT -5
You forgot Generation X and the Buzzc.o.c.k.s. *Listening to Bob Dylan's 'Simple Twist of Fate'. Folk is so great*
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Punk
Jan 28, 2005 21:43:43 GMT -5
Post by ~*Hieislove*~ on Jan 28, 2005 21:43:43 GMT -5
You forgot Generation X and the Buzzroosters *Listening to Bob Dylan's 'Simple Twist of Fate'. Folk is so great* ah del you got come good taste indeed *listens with you* lol
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Punk
Jan 29, 2005 15:27:34 GMT -5
Post by SKJTapion on Jan 29, 2005 15:27:34 GMT -5
That was a great summary Socky. The beggining of Punk (in the UK) is, essentially, the same.
Hieislove, I say you haven't heard the DeathSkulls because the DeathSkulls are a local band who, as far, have only released one album which had 6 tracks and was sold for £3 at a Filaments gig. The thing I love most about them, apart from the ultra-hardcore Punk sound? They didn't even make a profit from the CDs. They actually lost money but they don't care. For them, its all about the music.
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