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Post by Shinma_of Aries on Dec 17, 2004 18:57:43 GMT -5
I also have made up something to justify his personality and background a bunch, but as rjxsapri said I'm afraid that would end up changing him too much so you won't see much from the Buu of the show.
But the easiest part:how about his looks?A pink fluff is the greatest match for Gokuh???C'mon!!
See, first of all, the "pure evil" thing is the cheesiest thing ever because it takes such a thing like the good-evil concept as something perfectlly defined, which is a concept very personal,IMO.Second, assuming that a "pure evil" creature can be created, why the hell he's a pink fluff that is driven by the hunger of Candy?!!?(Imo he seems to be taken out of some ilussion of LSD adict,Gomen nasai Toriyama San)!HAHA,then people that love candy are so them mean!!
Besides, lots of you're talking about the end of the saga but Buu's saga doesn't end nothing!It leaves more doors open to a sequel than Cell saga!and Imo there are too many things "important" things that happen into Buu's saga compresed iun such a way that never let you believe it.So many useless power-ups, just to "impress"veiwers I guess.(eg:SSJ3,Mystic Gohan;Gotenks)But Buu's end came with a GenkiDama(Spirit Bomb), the why didn't finished him before???
Well, it seems that the poll was found interesting at least.I didn't vote by the way, but my thoughts are+/- like rjxsapri.
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Post by rjxsapri® on Dec 17, 2004 19:18:14 GMT -5
I also have made up something to justify his personality and background a bunch, but as rjxsapri said I'm afraid that would end up changing him too much so you won't see much from the Buu of the show. But the easiest part:how about his looks?A pink fluff is the greatest match for Gokuh???C'mon!! See, first of all, the "pure evil" thing is the cheesiest thing ever because it takes such a thing like the good-evil concept as something perfectlly defined, which is a concept very personal,IMO.Second, assuming that a "pure evil" creature can be created, why the hell he's a pink fluff that is driven by the hunger of Candy?!!?(Imo he seems to be taken out of some ilussion of LSD adict,Gomen nasai Toriyama San)!HAHA,then people that love candy are so them mean!! Besides, lots of you're talking about the end of the saga but Buu's saga doesn't end nothing!It leaves more doors open to a sequel than Cell saga!and Imo there are too many things "important" things that happen into Buu's saga compresed iun such a way that never let you believe it.So many useless power-ups, just to "impress"veiwers I guess.(eg:SSJ3,Mystic Gohan;Gotenks)But Buu's end came with a GenkiDama(Spirit Bomb), the why didn't finished him before??? Well, it seems that the poll was found interesting at least.I didn't vote by the way, but my thoughts are+/- like rjxsapri. Hell, you've just made a very good point. All the power ups that happened during the Buu saga, and all of that was only in like a day. What the crap? Well, if they change Buu's character in what needs to be changed, then I don't mind him in. Even though Brolly is definetely a better character. How can he not be, he's the Legendary Super Saiyan, he was born in the same day as Goku, he has hated Goku since the day he was born damit! Goku and Brolly are like archenemies, even if they don't make it look like that in the movies, it's more noticeable than Buu's inner struggle in the series. How can Buu's character be better? I say Brolly is the second best villain after Frieza. And the fact that he was only in movies doesn't matter at all. The only reason he wasn't in the series is because he wasn't in the original manga. He was an idea that came after the manga was finished. And Shinma is also right on one thing, Buu's saga left more stuff unclear that the Cell saga did when it finished. And now that I think about it, some stuff from the saga will have to be changed. They can't just make all that stuff happen on one day.
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Post by FoxExecutive on Dec 17, 2004 19:27:25 GMT -5
Truthfully, I wouldn't care if they changed Buu to Brolly or just kept it the same. I just hope they don't get greedy and try to make GT.
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Post by DeLaRocha99 on Dec 17, 2004 19:33:36 GMT -5
Yeah, the good/evil concept is not supposed to be perfectly defined. The best heroes and villains are gray, not black and white. They need to give the last and supposed best villain the series more depth. He's just a psycho. The only forms of Buu that had a personality was the one when he absorbed the strength of Gotenks and Gohan and intelligence of Piccolo.
But I think I may have an idea.
Freeza fought because he hated the filthy monkeys. Cell fought because Dr. Gero's hatred of Goku was passed on to him, plus he was completely driven on attaining perfection. Buu has to have a purpose that comepletely dwarves the purposes of the villains before him. I've come up with that purpose. But it's long. I'm going to go write it down immediately. And I'll post it as soon as I finish it...
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Post by rjxsapri® on Dec 17, 2004 19:54:00 GMT -5
Yeah, the good/evil concept is not supposed to be perfectly defined. The best heroes and villains are gray, not black and white. They need to give the last and supposed best villain the series more depth. He's just a psycho. The only forms of Buu that had a personality was the one when he absorbed the strength of Gotenks and Gohan and intelligence of Piccolo. But I think I may have an idea. Freeza fought because he hated the filthy monkeys. Cell fought because Dr. Gero's hatred of Goku was passed on to him, plus he was completely driven on attaining perfection. Buu has to have a purpose that comepletely dwarves the purposes of the villains before him. I've come up with that purpose. But it's long. I'm going to go write it down immediately. And I'll post it as soon as I finish it... Yeah, that's what I had said before. Any good villain has to show some sort of hatred towards the hero. I doesn't necesarily have to be the main thing we see on the villain but it's something that has to be present. Grendel's vision of Buu is pretty good, but I, and I think a lot of people, didn't see it that way in the series. So, in a movie, that side of Buu would have to be worked out better.
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Post by DeLaRocha99 on Dec 17, 2004 20:14:29 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I had said before. Any good villain has to show some sort of hatred towards the hero. I doesn't necesarily have to be the main thing we see on the villain but it's something that has to be present. Grendel's vision of Buu is pretty good, but I, and I think a lot of people, didn't see it that way in the series. So, in a movie, that side of Buu would have to be worked out better. Yeah, I'm writing Buu's purpose now. I'll tell you now that it has to do with why Bibidi, Babidi's father, created Buu. It has to do with Bibidi's hatred for the Kais and what they had done to him...
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Post by SnakeFire on Dec 17, 2004 20:40:25 GMT -5
^No, they don't. Did Doctor Octopus have a personal reason for wanting to kill Spiderman? No. And he was still a great villain...
I have said this before- just because Buu doesn't have anything personal against Goku, it doesn't mean he couldn't be a good choice for a villain. Don't you think that the audience would get tired of every single movie being about some guy that had a grudge against Goku? I know I would, if I had never seen the show. This would be the movie that changes things up a bit. Instead of Goku fighting and beating someone who wanted him dead because of a grudge, it would be about Goku and everyone else trying to protect the universe from a indestructable figure, who only wanted to kill, and didn't care about the lives he took. Goku wasn't the only hero in this, or any other saga. He was the only one who was ever strong enough to beat most of the villains, mind you, but Gohan turning Oozaru and was what stopped Vegeta, and he would have died had it not been for Goku. Goku killed Frieza, but not because Frieza wanted to kill him- because he what Vegeta said enraged Goku enough to fight this thing who had destroyed his kind. And, Frieza didn't have anything specifically personal against Goku. The only thing that made him want to kill Goku was the fact that he was saiyan. Cell was bulit by Dr. Gero so he could destroy Goku. But, Gohan did most of the fighting, and kicked Cell's @ss.
Yes, the sagas are based on Goku's story, but everyone else's stories were told as well. Piccolo and Vegeta changing, Gohan growing up, were all a part of this story. So, if there is a villain, such as Buu, who comes in last, it is perfect. Frieza, the one who killed the saiyan race- killed. Cell, who wanted Goku and the rest of them to die- killed. Buu, who was reawoken by Babidi, out of revenge for his father's death, is a good villain. He only wants to kill, and after his evil side truly takes over and absorbs Piccolo and Gotenks, he uses them against Mystic Gohan. Than, he absorbs Gohan, and fights Vegito with their son's and friend's power. After Vegeta pulls Good Buu out of the evil Buu's brain, he becomes Kid Buu. Kid Buu, whos previous forms have already taken out the human race, now destroys Earth, killing the three saiyan children and Piccolo, in the process.
By than, the audience would have already loved the characters Gohan and Piccolo, and would be saddened by their deaths. The audience would be mad that this Buu killed all of the living things on Earth, than destroying Earth itself. They would be mad at the fact that Buu killed the Z fighters and their families, like they were nothing. Them hating him for this would already prove how great of bad guy he is. And his first form would teach them that looks don't make a person.
And so what if he's pink! Frieza doesn't seem to powerful the first time you look at him. But after he killed Vegeta and transformed into all of those powerful versions of himself, he proved me wrong. Cell could have been killed while he was still imperfect. But, after he absorbed the androids, he was finally a worthy apponent. Buu was big and fat. But he could kick a lot of @ss, and looked friggin scary when he got mad. And after his mind split in two, he became the scariest thing ever. And than some, with all of the other transformations.
So, I still say that they should keep Buu. He is a good villain, and I am glad that Toriyama made him exactly the way that we see him. He is a symbolic villain, that makes you think about his depth by watching his actions, and not listening to his ranting. His personality was shown through everything that he did in the saga. He is a unique villain, having no reason for wanting Goku, the 'hero', dead. But he is risking the lives of everyone in the universe. Goku and all of the other Z fighters now need to stop him from doing so. So, just because he has nothing against Goku, doesn't mean that he won't try and stop the one who is getting in his way of destroying the universe. I would like to see a movie with the hero protecting the weak and innocent instead of fighting for his own life. That is what a hero is, anyway...
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Post by rjxsapri® on Dec 17, 2004 21:01:20 GMT -5
ahem, the fact that a villain feels any kind of hatred towards the hero doesn't mean that the hero will fight for his own good. And still, any good villain acquires some sort of hatred towards the hero. Again, even Dr. Octopus does. But you got me wrong, the movie won't center itself on that hate. As I said, it's something that is just present.
And actually, the part where Kid Buu kills Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks; wouldn't sadden anyone IMO. Why? because he doesn't say a word, he doesn't make people hate him, he doesn't show to be overly-proud, he isn't the kind of DBZ villain that repeats everytime that he's invincible. Frieza and Cell both tried to humiliate the good guys, that's why they make themselves be hated.
And don't mistake us, I don't really care if he's pink or not. I don't think any of us does. But the reason they seem to have used Fat Buu's pinkness is what makes him look stupid.
Still, I think we already have people with good ideas for Buu; so I don't think there's much to say about it for me. Except that no matter what, I would still prefer Brolly over Buu for the sole reason that for me, he's a better and deeper character.
Actually, Frieza and Cell are actually better than Buu also. And I think the perfect ending for the franchise would be at the Frieza saga, with Goku becoming the Super Saiyan from the legend and with the most powerful dictator in the universe being killed by him. But I know that just two movies won't be enough for most fans, including me. So, I prefer them doing a Buu movie than just doing two movies.
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Post by SnakeFire on Dec 17, 2004 21:14:27 GMT -5
ahem, the fact that a villain feels any kind of hatred towards the hero doesn't mean that the hero will fight for his own good. And still, any good villain acquires some sort of hatred towards the hero. Again, even Dr. Octopus does. But you got me wrong, the movie won't center itself on that hate. As I said, it's something that is just present. And actually, the part where Kid Buu kills Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks; wouldn't sadden anyone IMO. Why? because he doesn't say a word, he doesn't make people hate him, he doesn't show to be overly-proud, he isn't the kind of DBZ villain that repeats everytime that he's invincible. Frieza and Cell both tried to humiliate the good guys, that's why they make themselves be hated. And don't mistake us, I don't really care if he's pink or not. I don't think any of us does. But the reason they seem to have used Fat Buu's pinkness is what makes him look stupid. Still, I think we already have people with good ideas for Buu; so I don't think there's much to say about it for me. Except that no matter what, I would still prefer Brolly over Buu for the sole reason that for me, he's a better and deeper character. Actually, Frieza and Cell are actually better than Buu also. And I think the perfect ending for the franchise would be at the Frieza saga, with Goku becoming the Super Saiyan from the legend and with the most powerful dictator in the universe being killed by him. But I know that just two movies won't be enough for most fans, including me. So, I prefer them doing a Buu movie than just doing two movies. You're right! The audience won't be sad because Buu killed them- they'll be sad because Goku left them there and got Hercule and Dende instead...
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Post by DeLaRocha99 on Dec 18, 2004 10:30:44 GMT -5
^No, they don't. Did Doctor Octopus have a personal reason for wanting to kill Spiderman? No. And he was still a great villain... Actually, Doc Ock thought that Spiderman attributed to the death of his wife. Plus he wanted to make that machine because it was his dream, and Spiderman kept getting in the way. So yes, Doc Ock DID have a reason. But back to Buu. He definitely needs a reason. What's so interesting about a killing machine? Sure, the fights would be cool to look at. But where would the struggle be? I know, they're trying to fight for the fate of Earth, but there has to be something beyond that. There has to be a more personal reason for fighting, or the movie will be a cheap action movie with good sfx...
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Post by SnakeFire on Dec 18, 2004 13:06:32 GMT -5
^Well, Buu does have a reason. Goku and everyone else are getting in his way of destroying the universe.
>And for Doc Oc- I was refering to the movie...
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Post by Tsunade on Dec 18, 2004 13:12:11 GMT -5
GO BUU! WOOT! ;D
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Post by SSJTapion on Dec 18, 2004 13:14:16 GMT -5
I was sad when Kid Buu killed Goten, Trunks, Gohan and Picollo. Why? Because he just did it. There was no dramatic death scene. He just destroyed Earth. Class. Broly would be awful, he has no depth. Just madness. They would need to do Broly from Movie 10 to keep things running smoothly. And Broly from Movie 10 has no depth. He is just insane. Buu is different from other villians. He doesn't kill for power or because he is programmed to. He does it because he can.
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Post by SnakeFire on Dec 18, 2004 13:21:12 GMT -5
^People that want to use there power for destruction, because it is there, make good bad guys. So why not Buu?
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Post by DeLaRocha99 on Dec 18, 2004 14:25:46 GMT -5
>And for Doc Oc- I was refering to the movie... So was I...
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