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Post by HD on Dec 13, 2004 16:50:34 GMT -5
Although there may be remakes just now in the beginning, they'll surely start making new, original titles soon enough. I mean, the DS has a ton of new features which can be used to create many new titles, not to mention types of games! The built in mic, touch screen, dual screens, portable, wi-fi, the possibilities are endless. But it's still a great time playing the remakes too, so I'd still like to see more remakes!
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Post by HLOCKE on Dec 13, 2004 21:19:28 GMT -5
Although there may be remakes just now in the beginning, they'll surely start making new, original titles soon enough. I mean, the DS has a ton of new features which can be used to create many new titles, not to mention types of games! The built in mic, touch screen, dual screens, portable, wi-fi, the possibilities are endless. But it's still a great time playing the remakes too, so I'd still like to see more remakes! As long as there is an equal balance of originals, remakes, and spin-offs than I say bring em' on. Either way, I know I love the DS so far and I can't wait to see what Nintendo brings in the future.
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Post by FoxExecutive on Dec 15, 2004 20:21:02 GMT -5
I must say Boss, great overview. I however, must say that both the DS and PSP will not be in my stocking this Christmas or for anytime of that matter. If I want a handheld I will wait for the true handheld of all handhelds, the Gameboy Advance 2.
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Post by shadow on Dec 16, 2004 18:00:50 GMT -5
I must say Boss, great overview. I however, must say that both the DS and PSP will not be in my stocking this Christmas or for anytime of that matter. If I want a handheld I will wait for the true handheld of all handhelds, the Gameboy Advance 2. So true. Its a shame people cant see that DS isn't a worthwhile investment. It will become obsolete when GBA 2 comes out in a year or so... DS is just to hold off the pressure from PSP... I have to admit i may purchase a PSP, but i wont be getting a DS. I'll wait for GBA 2 for my Nintendo gaming.
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Post by Son Goshin on Dec 16, 2004 22:34:09 GMT -5
d*mn! a lot of these games look awesome! especially that shonen anime game. great job boss. by the way, do you guys think that the DS games will be compatible with the GBA 2? if so, i'll just wait for that to coem out as well. i fnot, heh, i'm definielty gettin one once the price drops, even if it is in 6 months or so
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Post by shadow on Dec 17, 2004 12:48:24 GMT -5
do you guys think that the DS games will be compatible with the GBA 2? I doubt it. From what i gather Nintendo earns most of its profits from the handheld market. They arent earning much in the console area so to counter this they are releasing various handhelds that appeal to certain markets. DS is a seperate handheld that offers something different while i expect GBA 2 to be similar to the PSP.
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Post by Sasukhan on Dec 17, 2004 16:32:37 GMT -5
theres coming a gba what now
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Post by FoxExecutive on Dec 17, 2004 20:00:53 GMT -5
What was that Majin Gohan? I really didn't catch what you are asking.
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Post by Sasukhan on Dec 19, 2004 5:33:52 GMT -5
theres coming a gba 2......``??
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Post by shadow on Dec 19, 2004 10:50:20 GMT -5
theres coming a gba 2......``?? Yeah. You didnt know...? Guess Nintendo made the statement rather quietly to make people think DS is a long term investment, when the truth is the DS will last about a year and a half in the lime light, then it will be in the shadow when GBA 2 comes along...
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Post by HLOCKE on Dec 19, 2004 19:50:53 GMT -5
Yeah. You didnt know...? Guess Nintendo made the statement rather quietly to make people think DS is a long term investment, when the truth is the DS will last about a year and a half in the lime light, then it will be in the shadow when GBA 2 comes along... Actually that's not exactly correct. While the GBA 2, or Gameboy Evolution as it is currently codenamed is in the works. Nintendo has the system projected for a late 2007 early 2008 launch, that's a long time to wait in my opinion. The only way the GBE would be boosted in release is if the DS flopped horribly which doesn't seem to be the case. Also Iwata has stated that next gen Nintendo will be handling 4 consoles! Revolution, Gamecube, Nintendo DS and the GBE. Peripherals are in the works to give more longevity to the Cube while they also introduce new hardware. The DS and the GBE are 2 totally different systems, the DS is a whole new line of hardware from Nintendo. So the only thing that will replace the DS is the DS 2 as the only thing that will replace the GBA is the GBE. It seems that Nintendo's new strategy in beating Sony and Microsoft is flooding the market with nothing but Nintendo hardware, interesting strategy that could pull of big if Nintendo can distribute their talent properly.
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Post by shadow on Dec 20, 2004 7:29:37 GMT -5
Actually that's not exactly correct. While the GBA 2, or Gameboy Evolution as it is currently codenamed is in the works. Nintendo has the system projected for a late 2007 early 2008 launch, that's a long time to wait in my opinion. The only way the GBE would be boosted in release is if the DS flopped horribly which doesn't seem to be the case. Also Iwata has stated that next gen Nintendo will be handling 4 consoles! Revolution, Gamecube, Nintendo DS and the GBE. Peripherals are in the works to give more longevity to the Cube while they also introduce new hardware. The DS and the GBE are 2 totally different systems, the DS is a whole new line of hardware from Nintendo. So the only thing that will replace the DS is the DS 2 as the only thing that will replace the GBA is the GBE. It seems that Nintendo's new strategy in beating Sony and Microsoft is flooding the market with nothing but Nintendo hardware, interesting strategy that could pull of big if Nintendo can distribute their talent properly. I know what your saying but the truth of the matter is, people are only going to buy one handheld...They will look for the main handheld...So thats going to be GBA2 and PSP... This is how i see it... The GBA is basically earning Nintendo its profit. Without its dominance od the handheld market, they would be in major trouble. The GBA has reached its peak and is starting to saturate. Now the best contender Nintendo have come up against is out, the PSP. Nintendo have to keep the handheld market under their control. They know at this present time they cant directly contend with the PSP so release a new model system to hold PSP off. So now we have the DS. Nintendo know it wont compete with PSP specs but will go for sales off their name and gimicky features. Now Nintendo have options for its customers. They have the GBA at a cheap price for the less rich kid and the DS for the average kid. Now they have the upper hand as they have the customers trust and two models to choose from. While this is going on Nintendo are hard at work on GBA2. They are seeing how people react to the DS's features and the PSP and maybe include what they see fit. The truth is GBA2 will be the main handheld along PSP. Nintendo will try to disguise this by letting each new handheld play the previous models games... This way they can keep profits up but surely this will only diteriate the quality of its next quality as all the attention will be on the handheld sector. Nintendo cant beat Microsoft this way as they are just in the console market. They will actually be helping M$ by distracting Sony.
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Post by FoxExecutive on Dec 20, 2004 13:10:06 GMT -5
Yeah that's entirely true. Great point Shadow. I don't see how Nintendo could manage four systems at once like that and be at third place in the console market. That's really putting strain on the back of Nintendo. I really think it would be unwise to promote the Cube while trying to fend off competition with a Red Hot Microsoft coming out with the XBox 2 and the always popular Sony. The handheld market is clearly Nintendo's in my opinion. So far bad press has started to circulate about the PSP, which may but probably won't, slow down PSP sales: such as dead pixels, air pockets in the screen, and a psycho CD drive that pops the disc back out (this was confirmed by Gamespot). In essence I think there is one true winner from all of this. None other than Microsoft. While Nintendo and Sony squabble over who is better in the handheld market, MS is focusing 100% of its attention on the main attraction of the gaming world, console gaming. No stretched resources and all of its best developers wielding there swords for the XBox and XBox 2 clearly gives a rich company even more riches to wave in front of the consumer's face. I don't really see why Sony would try to compete in the handheld market. They are pretty much telling Microsoft, "Okay, just run us over while we turn our attention away from you." In a business sense I believe Nintendo has done something more wise than Sony, in at least fighting back with the DS. Sony in my mind has somewhat made a blunder.
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Post by shadow on Dec 20, 2004 17:05:39 GMT -5
Couldnt have said things better...
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Post by HLOCKE on Dec 20, 2004 17:12:21 GMT -5
You both bring up good points in the debate but there are 2 things that I question. shadow, From your ideas heres the main point I get. DS is a filler for the GBA 2 and the PSP's main competition will be against the GBE, this in essence seems to be ruling the DS as a whole out of competition. The problem with your hypothesis is this, how can the PSP compete with the GBE when it can't even surpass the DS? If Sony can barely beat the "appertizer" as you say the DS is, then it's going to be impossible for them to do anything against the main course meal that is the GBE. With 1st week sales of DS trouncing those of the PSP despite being several weeks old, show it's going to be quite an up hill battle for the fledgling Sony into the portable businness. It just seems illogical for a portable to struggle against the competition of it's own generation and then expect to turn around and compete toe to toe with a system that's 2 or 3 more years advanced in technology with even more enticing features than the PSP or DS. I don't think Nintendo has codenamed the new GBA "Evolution" just to sound cool, I believe they have finally found a strategy that works when they stated the time of graphics alone will when a battle is over, if Sony is expecting to do anything with the PSP they will definitely need to innovate, if you ask me I think the PSP is more of a GBA 2 than the GBE will be when finally released. FoxExecutiveWhile Microsoft has made tremendous strides in turning the Xbox console from the home of a 1 hit wonder to a truly legitimate and capable system I still find myself questioning the future of the Xbox franchise. Why? Because when I look at the success of the Xbox I come to one concolusion, the only reason why the system has succeeded is because Nintendo and Sony have allowed it . A string of simple and obvious errors in Nintendo's strategy allowed the Xbox to slowly surpass them in sales, such as Cel-Shaded Zelda and lack of online allowed the Box to gain the upper hand over Ninty, while a series of stale efforts from Sony have left them coming short in sales data against the box these past 7-8 months. So the question is, what happens if those mistakes aren't made next generation? Nintendo promises strong online support with the Revolution which corrects their #1 fault and lately developers such as Square Enix, Capcom and Namco have promised Nintendo improved support that could bring an end of 3rd party plights. Sony on the other hand doesn't need much, as long as Sony stays the way they've been handling things than they'll remain a dominant player in the industry, the only reason Playstation sales seem to be slipping is because the majority of gamers already have one. In the end as long as PS3 has the next GTA, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy and next big controversial game it'll be on top of someone. However, the only real way anyone can be accurate is to actually wait and see what happens next-gen when it finally begins supposedly next year. On a final note for this pretty long rant I say this. Sony has and is number 1, and quite frankly there is no way for them to go any higher...
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