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Post by Grendel on Dec 13, 2004 15:54:34 GMT -5
I agree with Snakefire...I don't think you can replace Buu in the saga...how would you connect the kai's? There is no way Brolly could have fought the kai's that long ago if he was born the same day as Goku...
I liked Buu and I don't think the saga would make sense without him in it...
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Post by rjxsapri® on Dec 13, 2004 15:57:45 GMT -5
Well, if there is no Buu, than it wouldn't be the Buu saga, now would it? If you take out Buu, you need to take out the saga. You guys are always saying how they need to stick with the manga and tv series. If you keep with the same story as the saga, and than add Brolly to it, it would just be weird. So, they can change Buu so he doesn't look so much like a pink bouncy ball. But , IMO, it wouldn't be right to replace him with Brolly, or any other villain for that matter. If they do take out Buu, they might as well make up their own villain. And how is he not the perfect villain? He doesn't care about the lives of others, and only seeks the destruction of everything around him. Pure evil. If he ain't the perfect villain, than fine. You tell me who is... I don't mean that they should take the exact same Buu saga and just replace Buu with Brolly. I mean that they should use some important aspects (SSJ3, Vegeta's change, Supreme Kais, etc.) in a movie about Brolly. But of course the story would have to be a lot different than how it was in the Buu saga. And the problem with Buu is not that he looks like a deep bouncy ball. It's that he shows nearly no personality. His character has seemingly no depth at all. The idea that he is just pure evil seemed a little cheezy for me. Since he was just created by a magician, he has no inside story or nothing that made him be an evil person. In fact, he sometimes seem to be not as evil as they say. |
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Post by DeLaRocha99 on Dec 13, 2004 15:59:09 GMT -5
But really, what's so good about Buu? He's not too deep of a character. He's just a big pink blob. He actually reminds me of the humorous and silly enemies from Early Dragonball...
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Post by SnakeFire on Dec 13, 2004 16:10:27 GMT -5
Well, than make him look like the evil version that popped out of Buu. The really evil one. The one who would count all of the living things on Earth with patience and than destroy them all laughing. The one who killed Chi Chi in front of her son. The one who took all of them out, like they were nothing. You know- the guy who isn't just a pink blob.
If you made the saga into one with Brolly, than you wouldn't be sticking with the series. I almost wouldn't want to see it. Stick with the story that Toriyama wrote in the manga to follow up all of the other sagas, that I haven't heard anyone say they should change.
Cell was created, and didn't have a background that explained why he was evil. He just wanted to absorb the androids, in order to become the perfect Cell. Should we change him out?
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Post by Sasukhan on Dec 13, 2004 16:18:32 GMT -5
We need buu allright? no buu no movie. end of story
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Post by rjxsapri® on Dec 13, 2004 16:21:39 GMT -5
umm, to me, the last version of Buu (Kid Buu) was the chesiest of all. Just for the reason that it was suposedly "pure evil". Yet he's just a creation from a magician.
Any other villain in DBZ has a lot more depth than Buu, coz they were there fighting Goku for a reason. And they showed more hatred than Buu; except for Cell, but I think Cell would be easier to work out than Buu.
Buu was supposed to be pure evil but I see not hatred in him. Hatred like the one Frieza felt for all Saiyans and specially Goku for being more the only ones that would oppose him. Or hatred like the one Broly felt for Goku for...just being Goku. But still, I think that Broly's bond with Goku is so deep that it deserves it's own movie, even if it's at the expense of Buu.
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Post by FoxExecutive on Dec 13, 2004 16:52:22 GMT -5
Actually not true about Cell. Cell was created by Dr. Gero, who in turn hated Goku for ruining the Red Ribbon Army. Eww, I just thought of something. If they don't do the Red Ribbon Army Saga, Dr. Gero is rather meaningless.  Anyway, the thing about the Buu saga is that it could actually be better. I say keep Buu, but change a few things to make it less cheesy. But still keep the humor involved with Fat Buu and Mr.Satan (Hercule). Then, I don't see why not, but do another movie with Brolly. Hey the more movies the better right?  |
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Post by SnakeFire on Dec 13, 2004 16:55:47 GMT -5
^At least he agreed with me on changing Buu, but not throwing him out. But Buu was created by the magician, who in turn wanted to bring decimation to the universe. |
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Post by rjxsapri® on Dec 13, 2004 16:59:47 GMT -5
Actually not true about Cell. Cell was created by Dr. Gero, who in turn hated Goku for ruining the Red Ribbon Army. Eww, I just thought of something. If they don't do the Red Ribbon Army Saga, Dr. Gero is rather meaningless. Anyway, the thing about the Buu saga is that it could actually be better. I say keep Buu, but change a few things to make it less cheesy. But still keep the humor involved with Fat Buu and Mr.Satan (Hercule). Then, I don't see why not, but do another movie with Brolly. Hey the more movies the better right? They could start the Cell movie with the part when Goku fought the Red Ribbon army. Then show it is like 20 years later or something and go on with the story after the Frieza saga. And yeah, Cell would be easier to work out into a better character. Since he was made by a scientist from an army that Goku destroyed, and was made partially from Goku's cells, it can be explained why he hated Goku and life in general. And he's not supposed to be "pure evil" anyways, and he does show a lot of his personality, contrary to Buu. |
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Post by Shinma_of Aries on Dec 14, 2004 20:09:44 GMT -5
I must say I am a bit dissapointed.It seems that the only two who actually read my first post on this thread, and by that, understood the the heart of the question here where DeLaRocha and rjxsapri.
Buu is a vilian with no personallity and no real background.Of course that could be made but maybe that's pushing it too far.Why making that effort fot Buu anyway?What he has to offer?His advantanges are the same as Broly's.He does look like one of the early Db vilians and his lame background story relates more to Kaioshin's rather than Goku.There are too many Odds against Pros, IMO.As I said earlier, the saga thing shouldn't be taken into account on this thread.But still, you keep using it as reasons, and by that you're just being stubborn for no reason; just being hardcore for the fun of it.
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Post by SnakeFire on Dec 14, 2004 20:32:37 GMT -5
^Well, now I am disappointed. You can't not bring up the saga in this. You brought this upon yourself. You say that this is only about Buu, and not the saga. But, once again, you can't have the final saga and the stories with it, without Buu. Buu has no personality? Cell and Frieza are exactly the same. At least Buu was a change... And, changing the saga by putting Brolly in it?? Maybe they should just change all the sagas, to better suit the audience...  |
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Post by Shinma_of Aries on Dec 14, 2004 20:43:54 GMT -5
^Well, now I am disappointed. You can't not bring up the saga in this. You brought this upon yourself. You say that this is only about Buu, and not the saga. But, once again, you can't have the final saga and the stories with it, without Buu. Buu has no personality? Cell and Frieza are exactly the same. At least Buu was a change... And, changing the saga by putting Brolly in it?? Maybe they should just change all the sagas, to better suit the audience... Now you're just twisting my words.I brought that up because everybody was talking about that, and to explain that isn't such a big reason either. IF YOU WANT BUU,FINE; THAT'S WHAT THE POLL IS ABOUT.BUT UNLESS THEY CHANGE HIM A LOT THE MOVIE WILL SUCK.I JUST WANT TO STRESS THAT BUU WAS A SORT OF FUNNY CHARACTER AND CONSECUENTLLY SCREWS ALL THE EPIC FEEL THAT A LAM SHOULD HAVE.THE POLL IS TO MAKE YOU THINK IF BUU IS OR ISN'T THAT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO RISK THE ENTIRE SERIES OF FILMS GET SCREWED. |
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Post by rjxsapri® on Dec 14, 2004 21:24:40 GMT -5
Buu has no personality? Cell and Frieza are exactly the same. At least Buu was a change I'm sorry, but neither Frieza nor Cell were nothing at all like Buu. Frieza was the best villian in the series, he was like the big boss of Goku's ancestors and the most feared person in the entire universe at the time. He was like the man Goku was destined to beat to prove he was definetely the strongest. Cell was created because of hate towards Goku. By a scientist that worked for an army that once ruled the world. But Buu, a "demon" or something that doesn't talk, shows to be stupid, yet being "pure evil". The worst thing is, that the Z fighters begin risking their lifes against him when he hasn't done anything to them really. Vegeta explodes giving his own life to kill a villain who talks and thinks like a baby. That's BAAAD. And contrary to Cell, Vegeta, or Frieza; Buu has no reason to hate Goku. He just came on out of nowhere and were expected to think of him as the villain for no reason. Remember, one of the things that make a great movie is to have a great bad guy, and Buu isn't a great bad guy. |
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Post by Grendel on Dec 14, 2004 22:25:01 GMT -5
I just want to point out two things...
1. There is no way that anyone can say what Buu will be like in a LAM movie because there is NO LAM movies that have Buu in them (unless I am missing something here)
2. I don't think you can take the Saga but change the character...why would you even want to do that? If Brolly was supposed to be the better character then why wasn't he put into the series? Why was he just put into a few movies that don't even fit into the timeline of the series? Don't get me wrong...Brolly is an awesome Character...but the story of Buu is the only one that really fits into the final saga...
How are the Kais going to be explained without Buu? Sepreme Kai came back because of Buu...The Kai's didn't even give the saiyans much respect at the beginning of the Saga...so I dobt they would butt into a fight between Saiyans...
I liked Buu...I think Buu there is a good story with Buu...a struggle between Good and Evil (because Buu is both Good (fat Buu) and evil (the rest)) and in a LAM that could be worked in...
Well that's how I see it anyways...
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Post by rjxsapri® on Dec 14, 2004 22:34:28 GMT -5
Again, the things like the SSJ3, Supreme Kai's and such, could be worked in to fit with Brolly. What I mean is forget what happened in the series and the Brolly movies and write a new saga based on the idea of Brolly's character (being the Legendary Super Saiyan and all) and some elements that happened during the Buu saga and use them in a movie.
Understand, you guys say you want the Buu saga because of the stuff that happened there, not because it had a good story. That's what I'm saying, write a new story taking Brolly as the villain, put the nice stuff that we liked from the Buu saga and we have a much better movie with a much epic feel than a movie with Buu as the villain.
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Anyway, the thing about the Buu saga is that it could actually be better. I say keep Buu, but change a few things to make it less cheesy. But still keep the humor involved with Fat Buu and Mr.Satan (Hercule). Then, I don't see why not, but do another movie with Brolly. Hey the more movies the better right? 
